There's already been tests of 3racing winches, the best number yet I have seen was stalling out at 9lb 7oz. Not the 2.2lb that everyone was guessing at from the video...Yup Stephan's do go for that $ and they work great(don't have 1 but couple guys here do) the only thing i don't like about the copies is they only can lift 2.2lbs so more for looks than real function. my 0.02