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[ScaleManiac]

Hey guys, I have been working hard preping my trucks and my step dads trucks for the worlds... We are AMPED and cant wait to go. The springs was our 1st event and it was a blast. This event Im sure will be even better. I have a few questons though and maybe some of you can help so here goes

I want to race in the clod sport mod class, The truck I am racing isnt exactly light (which seems to be a huge factor) since it has JPS gear cases on it so I need every little bit of an edge that I can get. I know some may not want to share thier secrets so I am more or less looking for some recommendations.


Motors? right now I have some old school 17turn speed gem blue cans (the original speed gems) When I raced Mike at the MJ I started last in the main and made it all the way to second but couldnt catch him for the life of me... I am thinking I need a better motor. so I found these

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLZG4&P=7

Those seem to be the sweetest 17 turns that I can find, anyone here use those? if so what do you think of them?

For batteries I am going with a real serious pack, probably a 4300 with a 1.21 cell rating. What do you guys usually run? I think this type of set up will give me some serious punch.

Now as far as I know the rules state : 17 turn motor, 13 tooth pinion, stock tires right? Is there any restrictions on steering set ups? as my truck uses Danny Wyatts/Brian M's dual servo set up. Also are wheel wideners allowed? I run only JJs

Well thats it on the sport mod class... now on to the box stock

The rules state for the motors that any readily available stock motor with non adjustable endbell is allowed or an econo modified motor. What is an "econo modified motor"?? I know most guys use magnetic mayhem motors but I wanted to use integy 55 turn lathe motors... are these allowed?

As far as wheels go, I have really nice JPS wheels with stock clod tires. Are JPS wheels allowed or do I have to switch back to stock?

Last but not least, I have a FULL ttr pede chassis, cage kit, cantilevers, sway bars the works ... I guess I would be in the 2wd modified tuff truck class? If so is brushless allowed?

Thanks in advance guys!

Mike

 

[Dougie]

...ok since everyone else seems to just look and not post anything to help you out I'll try...

First, motors and batteries are personal preference (I'm sure you already knew that) there really isn't a "better" set up than another because as of right now I don't think that any 1 person has won more than once with the same set up, so run what every you want to run for the Spec class just make sure that it fits into the written rules

Next the steering set up, you can run anything you want, we don't put restrictions on how you turn your truck so this is anything goes, most people run 1 servo, a couple run 2 servos, and I know John Etzler ran 4 servos (not sure if he ran in this class though)

The tires need to be stock clod tires, they can't be cut or shaved or drilled or altered in any way.

Wheel wideners are allowed

ok now I'm assuming that you are talking about the box stock monster truck class, if so it says that there are 3 motors that are allowed 1. original, out of the box motor 2. a Roar motor 3. Mega 360/ Mayhem motor....so I'm a little confused where you are seeing that you can use "econo mods" in that class, I'm sure that if you wanted to run a lathe motor that is a 55 turn you could do that since stock motors are 27 turn so you would be putting a slower motor in the truck which I don't know why you would want to do that to a race truck, but if that is what you want to do then I don't see why it wouldn't fit in the rules.

If you want to run the JPS wheels in that class you can, we've had them run in that class before

Finally, your correct your TTR stampede would have to run in the 2wd mod tuff truck class, the motor rule in that class reads "any readily available R/C motor not exceeding a manufacturer's suggested list price of $95 (maximum motor size: Diameter 2 1/4", Length 3 1/2") " That would eliminate the use of brushless motors because I think that brushless motors cost more than that and are larger than that (I'm not 100% sure of this since I don't have a brushless set up to look at)


I hope this helps you atleast get started in the right direction, good luck

Doug

 

[pettycash]

All the Novak brushless motors listed in the Tower 2006 book cost less than $95. The most expensive is $83.

 

[ScaleManiac]

Doug Thanks for clearing up my confusion on the spec class, that was very helpful. I think I am going to go with those cobalts and a 4200 1.21 pack. I think that might give me my edge I need to keep up with you guys as I know this is a very popular class.

Now on the Box stock class I was refering to pulling box stock class... so can anyone just clear that up for me quickly?

thanks in advance.

See you guys in a few weeks

-Mike

 

[pettycash]

My tractor and rig use econo mods and I run a speed gem2 and a newer type of speed gem, not sure what one.

 

[chewylewy]

Hi Mike,
Here is the official rules for the class. Also listed are the definitions for the motors. Let me know if I can be of any other help. Did you guys get your entryforms? Jan sent you out some.
Matt



4WD BOX STOCK
NOTE: This class is limited to factory production dual-motored 4WD vehicles* only
Motor: Any "readily available* R/C Stock Motor* with non-adjustable end bell. Or Economy Modified* motor. Maximum number of motors - 2.

Battery*: Up to 7-cell, C-size maximum,1/2 sub-C minimum Battery and battery box must be in stock location.

3. Chassis: The chassis, gearbox and suspension must be the *original for that vehicle. Gears may be locked. Minimum pinion size - 8 tooth, 32 pitch, must be visible. Motor swing adapters are allowed. No addi tional gear boxes are permitted. Suspension may be locked at each wheel only. Aluminum steering mechanisms and gear case braces are allowed. Rear wheel steering may be locked. USA is allowed to use replacement metal dog bones that are produced by a R/C manufacturer. Parts may be missing i.e.: battery covers, battery holders to allow 7 cell packs, dirt covers and all items that are not suspension related. All *stock suspension parts must be present along with the shocks. May have ESC.

4. Wheelbase: Must be original for that vehicle.

5. Drive Tires: All tires must be of the same size and *stock for that vehicle. Bar tire only, no foam or street tires. May not cut tires. May stuff tires
6. Weight: Maximum vehicle weight - 14 lbs. No weight bars past the front bumper.

7. Vehicle Dimensions: Maximum vehicle length -19.5"
Maximum width - 16".

8. Steering: Steering servo may be relocated. May use 1/4 scale servo.
9. Run Time: 30 seconds

10. Body: May be changed to lexan but must resemble a real type truck. Example:1/2, 3/4 , ton Ford, Chevy or Dodge etc. Max body length 19.5"





4. Stock Motors: Are to be motors that are R/C motors with non-adjustable end- bells. You can not tamper with, in any way, the timing adjustments, which include the use of modified or cut brushes, which affect the timing. Ball bearings, External magnets, internal cobalt or neadyne magnets are not permitted. The 4.5mm x 5mm brush and hood ?readily available R/C motor accessory? also known as the ?P-94? brush hoods may be used on any 05 can size motor except ROAR legal mo tors. You can turn the commentator with a comm stick or a stock comm lathe only. No opening of the motor or removing of the armature al lowed. You can change springs and brushes in the motor. End bell bushings only.

4A. Econo Modified: Are to be motors that are ?Readily Available? R/C motors. These shall be 05 can size modified motors with a maximum manufacturer?s suggested list price of $50.00. These may have ball bearings and adjustable timing. External magnets, internal cobalt or neadyne magnets are not permitted. You can turn the commutator with a commstick or a comm lath. The 4.5mm x 5mm brush and hood also known as the ?P-94? brush hoods maybe used.

 

[hobbybobby1]

FYI In Sport Mod U Can NOT Run HAND WOUND MOTORS the Trinity IS A HAND MOTOR. So IT is NOT LEGAL for Sport Mod. Rules Say Must Be Machine Wound. I hope this Helps U.Later HB1 B)

 

[Hoboracer]

Dont forget that you can use the cobalt can with the speed gem machine wound arm and really get a kick _ motor set up going with that. takes a little more money but this is the loop hole in the rules that allows you to do this! If I was going to attend the worlds, this is what I planned on running.


Hope bobby has this set up because I know someone that does!!! hehehehe!!


Jerry

 

[DEVASTATOR]

The JPS gear cases will not be legal since they are not factory equipment.

"Gearboxes must be OEM Replacement gearbox halves only"
---Rule #1 Pg 36 of the rule book for Sport Mod.

Motors must be machine wound and I believe the Cobalt 17T monster truck motor is a hand wound.

 

[pregess3]

Mike,
I think we talked about the " box stock" pulling class at the springs, remember, this is the one event you MUST have everything stock or they might DQ you. If I were you, I'd find some magnetic mayhems and put some high silver content brushes and black (heavy) springs in and hold on... :willy Otherwise you won't have enough speed at the end of the track with the high wind motors. And remember what I told you about the front weight, it's either that or expect to get 3rd place...J.J.

 

[TNT_Pulling]

Originally posted by Hoboracer@Sep 9 2006, 10:24 AM
Dont forget that you can use the cobalt can with the speed gem machine wound arm and really get a kick _ motor set up going with that. takes a little more money but this is the loop hole in the rules that allows you to do this! If I was going to attend the worlds, this is what I planned on running.


Hope bobby has this set up because I know someone that does!!! hehehehe!!


Jerry

internal cobalt or neadyne magnets are not permitted

Jerry, I hope you are talking about a motor for monster trucks, as the pulling rules say NO cobalt magnets, whether is has a Speed Gem arm inside or not, it still will have COBOLT magnets!!!

 

[bigfredzzz]

i have had that setup from the begging and it does not help that much oh damn all that money for nothing you cant trust all of what you hear

 

[Dougie]

Fred, that does sound like a really good set up, the catch is that you need to be able to drive give one of your trucks to Freddie and watch out haha

Doug

 

[bigfredzzz]

i can drive good i just dont to let you slower guys win

 

[hobbybobby1]

FYI the Cobalt Motors DO NOT have COBALT Mag's in them IT is JUST the NAME of the MOTOR.Later HB1 B)

 

[ScaleManiac]

Thanks for all the info guys, that helped ALOT. I guess for my pulling truck I am just going to put the magnetic mayhems in .

Thanks John, I remember our conversation but I just keep thinking in my mind that the 55 turns could work so I just wanted to make sure that they are legal. As for the wieght thing...ill settle for 3rd as long as my truck looks cool as hell doing it

As for the sport mod class Ill just stick with my regular speed gems, I dont think its worth throwing down more money for better motors if its not going to make a huge a difference. Now the only problem is this gear case thing?

Thanks for all the help
Mike